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10/06/2014 at 10:48 • Filed to: None
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"RX" (rx-8)
10/06/2014 at 10:48 • Filed to: None | 2
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Now I'm one of the rare fans that closely follow both F1 and NASCAR. I usually dont get into any of the debates of one vs the other. I've always viewed them as completely different. But one thing I'll never understand is F1s handling of in race incidents. Safety car vs local yellow. Now I'll admit some of nascar's "phantom cautions" can get a bit annoying. But the series always errors on the side of everyone's safety. Many of the incidents in F1, where the race stays green with a local yellow, borders on complete negligence and incompetence. These drivers are still racing at 9/10 under yellow. Basically all they do is not pass, and back off just the slightest to cut their sector time by a tenth or two, (because they are required to, and yes they are good enough to do that). If you have the same off that the car they are rescuing just had, now instead of hitting a tire barrier you are hitting a piece of heavy equipment. And as bad as yesterdays incident was, it could have been much worse, he could have collected a few corner workers in his off.
Alfalfa
> RX
10/06/2014 at 10:52 |
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Because F1 is just more badass, and you know it!
Completely kidding, of course. I've wondered this a bit myself, but I don't watch much racing and figured there was some obvious reason that all the real F1 fans know. Now I've grown a little more curious.
ACESandEIGHTS
> RX
10/06/2014 at 11:07 |
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Because Bernie. No idea.
You ever watch the safety car in Monaco? It's bad ass. They're keeping the hammer down on that thing all the way at all times. That would be sweetest job.
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> Alfalfa
10/06/2014 at 11:19 |
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I know I'm going to get some responses, because it alters the race, if the leader had a 15 second lead, that is erased. But for a series that says their propriety is safety, to have someone fighting for his life with internal bleeding in his brain, when it could have been prevented using the safety measures employed by nascar and indycar is unacceptable.
quarterlifecrisis
> RX
10/06/2014 at 11:21 |
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Local yellows are a great thing. On a road course there's no real reason to have folks on separate parts of the course have to back off when they're nowhere near the scene of an off. Weather played a giant part in the event yesterday, generally speaking that's an incredibly isolated incident.
F1 isn't the only series to use local yellows - all road racing does. It's the nature of that type of track.
philsphan09
> RX
10/06/2014 at 11:24 |
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From my understanding, the tires need to be kept warm, so the faster they can "pace" the better...that's why the Safety Car needs to haul ass. Going slow is actually worse for the F1 cars.
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RX
> quarterlifecrisis
10/06/2014 at 11:27 |
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I get the concept of a local yellow. NASCAR has even used them at the road races, but when the corner workers are driving a bulldozer into the gravel trap to remove the car i would think that would be a good time to put the race under caution.
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quarterlifecrisis
> RX
10/06/2014 at 11:30 |
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I still think a local works for that, as long as the bulldozer isn't on the track. Now, there should be some stewardship that occurs so that way you don't have guys running through a local yellow at 8/10, completely unaware of what's going on off of the racing line.
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RX
> quarterlifecrisis
10/06/2014 at 11:39 |
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Problem is that they are still racing at 9/10 through the yellow. The only requirements are that they need to 1) not overtake and 2) post a slower sector time than the previous lap. Which they can do by lifting a tenth of a second earlier in the corner in question.
jariten1781
> RX
10/06/2014 at 11:48 |
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Local yellows make sense most of the time (cleaning debris, helping a driver over the wall, hooking up a crane that's behind the wall), but yeah, safety car should be deployed any time there's a multi-ton hunk of metal out in front of where there's normally an impact absorbing barrier.
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quarterlifecrisis
> RX
10/06/2014 at 12:07 |
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That's an issue that should be addressed in a rivision of the rule book, and the driver's meeting.
I know the Bianchi incident is what drove the post, so I think it's important to remember that that was a freak accident, as many events like that are. The racing surface wasn't impeded, and a local yellow was suitable to indicate to the drivers that there was potentially hazardous activity going on in the area.
luelinks
> RX
10/06/2014 at 12:13 |
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What if they made a speed limit requirement more mandatory and less ambiguous.
Like it's gotta be half-speed from the previous lap sector time, not just "slower." This way there is a quantifiable measure and it's substantially slower.
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> luelinks
10/06/2014 at 12:16 |
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Something like that would work too. Even something like a mandatory 3 second drop in the sector time would make a huge difference in the speed. But those guys are trained to drop their sector time by .1 seconds. So they still racing at 9/10.
PushToStart
> jariten1781
10/06/2014 at 13:08 |
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Yes, this completely. If they wouldn't start a race with a big piece of machinery out from behind a barrier, they shouldn't run a single lap of it like that. The barriers should be intact and completely unobstructed any time a race is being held. And if something is obstructing the barriers, the SC should be out, no exceptions.